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In the first full episode of the Mountain Malarkey Podcast, Andy and Dave discuss how dangerous trekking at high altitude really is.

Is it dangerous? Or not?

This is one of the most hotly discussed topics in the adventure travel industry at the moment and our hosts Andy & Dave delve deep into the dangers that trekkers come across at high altitude.

Things the guys talk about:

  • A few ways to manage your body at high altitude
  • Find out if trekking at high altitude is for you
  • The difference between high altitude mountaineering and high altitude trekking.

Listen to an Australian version of Jaws, get to know the difference between a copperhead and a corn snake and also how Dave lost over a stone trekking to Everest base camp recently(Not an actual stone)

If you're keen to find out more information around trekking to Everest download our full guide here:





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Speaker 1: 00:00 Hello everyone. It's Andy. And Dave. Hello in the first full episode of the mountain malarkey podcast.

Speaker 1: 00:21 Thanks for joining us. And yeah, I'm super stoked to finally be recording. I know we recorded a teaser, didn't we? Yeah, we did. Yeah. But I mean this is, this is the first one. Did this is the full, the full Monte. This is it Dave. Yeah. Um, how are you feeling? Yeah, pretty good. Pretty good. I've been looking forward to this all day. Um, yeah, it's a mixture of kind of, sort of nervous energy and just like a calm, nice mate. Um, so today is, yeah, first episode. What is it about, well, it's actually one of the most important questions that we can cover off a lot of them sort of topics, but we're going to talk about how dangerous is it to track at high altitude, um, which I think is a great sort of umbrella topic. We can say, yes, you're right. We get asked it.

Speaker 1: 01:07 We do get asked it. Yeah. We get asked it a lot, particularly, you know, when, um, you know, there's a lot of stories in the media. Um, Everest gets mentioned a lot. Um, we, we know that like Everest Base Camp and climbing Everest is like comparing apples and oranges, but there are a lot of, a lot of correlations I think do that can be made and a lot of topics that we can sort of later and hopefully people, it'll answer a lot of questions. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, before we do go into it, I mean, you know, me and Dave were avid track, uh, and we, and we specialise in high altitude trekking. Yeah. If you listen to this podcast and you're thinking about heading out to to Everest base camp, highly recommend that you download the Everest base camp guide. It is in the show notes, but if you're just listening, uh, if you just type in http://bit.ly/EverestBCGuide and you can download the guide to get the full walk through of the trip and it should answer everything you need to know.

Speaker 1: 02:03 Um, but yeah, let's, let's, let's go deep. Yeah, let's do it until we get stuck into the episode date. Yeah. Why not? Why not? So, um, yeah. Yeah. So I literally came back from every space camp, what, two weeks ago now? Yeah. It's lighter as well. Yeah. Yeah. I feel so much lighter. But to be honest with you, most of that was achieved in Kathmandu after the trip and what do we call it? A, a deli belly and Nepalese napalm I think is the term Nepalese names, but no. Yeah, one of the, I think one of the big stories, um, that like it certainly hit local news and I believe it was picked up by, um, some of the national news as well. Sadly, there was someone who passed away on the average space come track there a day ahead of me and my group.

Speaker 1: 02:47 Um, we don't know anything about what happened there aside from what we've read in the media. So I wouldn't like to comment on specifically what happened, but certainly what it did do is it raised a lot questions for us specifically, um, about, you know, how dangerous is it, you know, what are you getting yourself into and when you go to yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's, I mean, yeah, especially, I mean, none of this makes a difference, but he was a local guy to where we're from. Yeah. Um, and as you said, we don't, we don't, we don't want to go too much into the, um, you know, the, the details of that. But inherently, you know, it did bring up the question and we try to answer it as best we can in the, in the Facebook group and the people that are asked.

Speaker 1: 03:28 Um, you know, it is, yeah, it is dangerous and it's, it's one of those things that, you know, we, we discussed on me, I mean, about how dangerous things are. Yeah. But it's, it's also, it's relative to I think where you are in life or what your lifestyle's like if you travel a lot. So you're an active person because I certainly in our opinion, I know we've discussed this quite a lot. It's very different climbing Everest to go into Everest base camp. Absolutely. Yeah. Just in terms of the media now and just just talking about the negativity around it. I mean I think, um, yeah, it is, it is get into every space camp on its own yeah. Is an incredible achievement and it's something that very, very few people consider in the amount of people that we share this planet with. You actually get to do.

Speaker 1: 04:17 Um, and then the main two people that actually summit Everest, it's a whole, it's a whole of the beast. You know, like I, I'm struggling to even draw an analogy, but it's like, you know, Everest base camp is arriving at the car park. Yeah. Everest summit is going to work, you know, like two, two completely different experiences. But I think talking about danger in your life, I mean everybody has like, like you just said, got a kind of like a base level of danger based on their routine. We're all creatures of habit and by and large we have a routine. Yeah. If part of that routine is skydiving, base jumping, high altitude tracking, then you're going to have to accept, uh, there's a greater element of, um, of danger in that. And I think if you're gonna think about tracking a high altitude and start in a high altitude adventure as lifestyle, then you know, it's part of what you're going to have to accept.

Speaker 1: 05:09 That's part of the adventure as well, isn't it? And let's be honest, this isn't, that isn't for everyone. I mean it's very important. Yeah. But if you like adventure, if you, you know, if you like that little bit of danger. Yeah. Because I mean me and you, you know, we both like a little bit of danger, don't we? Yeah. I think it kind of keeps us on our toes. I think so. But excuse me, if you are, if you are the sort of person that is looking for that little bit of danger, that I look a little bit of a challenge. Yeah. Then for us, I mean, I mean, you know, we do profess the high altitude trekking isn't any more dangerous than the other things you would do. No, you know, I mean, let's be honest, we drive on the roads in the UK that are probably just as dangerous because you've got people speed in changing lanes.

Speaker 1: 05:48 It's certainly relative to to just walk in the thing is I scout, yeah. I like to think that when we do base camp, because there are dangerous in terms of it's mainly related to the altitude. Yeah. So how the altitude can affect your body is it's largely unpredictable. Um, but we certainly like to take an intelligent approach to sort of managing that risk. And I think what's one of the analogies, it's about knowing the difference between a copperhead and a corn snake. Now this one? Yeah. Well, I don't know. I just drew it from my, I can't remember where I got this from, but anyway, but essentially that, you know, two things that look the same but are actually very different and how you win and what makes the difference is experience and knowledge. So I agree. If you're going into an environment and it looks safe and it feels safe, but you haven't got the experience to know if it's safe, then you're best not heading into that environment.

Speaker 1: 06:39 Yeah, I agree. And that's why go in with a legit outfit and you know, there are many of them and there are many new knowledge outfits and we like to consider and pride ourselves on the fact that we do know the difference. We do know what we're sending people into. Yep. Um, and you know, we're not going to send someone into an area that we're not able to come to really manage safety. And that's what I think the difference is about knowing the difference between a copperhead and a corn snake. You know, if you come across a copperhead and you think it's safe and you believe it's safe, but you don't know and you pick it up. Yeah. And you know, it turns out to be a copperhead, then you're screwed. You're screwed. Yeah. I hope that made sense. It did. I mean like this is the first episode of the Mount malarkey podcast.

Speaker 1: 07:23 Some people would say, maybe we've started a bit deep. Yeah. Why not? But the reason we wanted to talk about it, I mean it's, you know, it's because it's fresh. It's in the media. People are talking about it and we thought, why don't we start off with one like this? Because you know, naturally we want to tackle the subjects that kind of people are talking about. We don't want to just talk about the fluffy stuff. No. This is what the podcast is about. We want to talk about things that will help other people. Yeah. If you listen to this podcast now and you're thinking about going to high altitude trekking, I like to think that potentially what we're discussing might actually help you. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's not Disneyland. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's not a holiday. No. You know, um, I shy away from using the word holiday in reference to any of our trips, not just every space camp, but Kili, um, anything we do in like maybe safe America and Morocco on this, on the horizon.

Speaker 1: 08:08 Yeah. It's not a holiday. You know, it's an, it is a venture. It's an, it is, it's an adventure. It's a controlled adventure. You're going with experts. Um, but nonetheless, you know, it's like, it's the reason why, you know, Ferrari's are exciting. They're not exciting because they're the safest cars to drive. Yeah. They're exciting because they're a little bit frightening. Um, and personally I think that's what gives me a little bit of fire, you know, a little bit. Uh, yeah. Cause I chewed, isn't it? I mean, I think one thing on this podcast, we're definitely going to have analogy of the week for you. Oh really? Wow. Because of your analogies. Honestly. I love it. They're brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know where I draw these [inaudible]. It might be something I read 15 years ago or something, but no. Yeah, there you go. You can have that one for this way.

Speaker 1: 08:51 Well, I got the head, we're going to intro, write that down and analogy of the week. Excellent. That's written down. Yeah. Now you might be sort of wondering where me and Dave are probably two of the most informal people around, so this podcast might be a little bit flexible. There might be dogs walking in because I'm penny the avid dog is actually sleeping at the moment. But yeah, at any point you could bust in. Yeah. So yeah, if you do hear like, um, some sort of noises, that's not me and Dave, but also we want to climatize you to, um, what is going to be like traveling the world. Yeah. You know, you're going to have to learn to roll with the punches and be a little bit informal. Um, because things don't always go well. They don't always go right and we're going to certainly adopt that philosophy in our podcasting.

Speaker 1: 09:35 That's, you know, but, you know, hopefully it does go well. I mean, while we're, while we're, while we're on the subject, I know we've, we've talked to a few things before we started. Yeah. Um, you mentioned before about Russell Brice cause while we're on the subject of high altitude trekking climbing and Russell Brice with him ex, yeah. Ah, one of the, while they're at the front really in terms of any a thousand meter climbing peaks. Well I was following was advice for a long, long time now since I read some books like over 10 years ago and I watched some discovery channel documentaries and, but then I always think you need to, you need to sort of always look at both sides of every coin because he does have some critics, but the way that he thinks is a operations. However, there is one thing that I think is remarkable about Russell Brice, which is all the years he's done guiding on Everest.

Speaker 1: 10:25 Um, and I have to double check this fact, but I
don't believe he's lost a client compared to some others that have an acceptable loss rate of like, you know, five a season. It's, it's insane. And I was actually lucky enough to meet Russell boys and talk to him a lot about the things that, um, you know, affect our industry and where there are, you know, crossovers. And one of the things that I remember talking to him about was, um, an it came to mind recently when I saw that, um, that big queue, you know, NIMS. And then there was a lot of talk about what the government of Nepal should be doing to keep people safe on the maintain. And it brought to mind a conversation that I had with Russell Brice where he was talking to me about, well, anytime you wanted to take any adventure, any risk it needs to be, and you reflect back on what may have gone well or may not have gone well.

Speaker 1: 11:14 Yeah. You need to frame it in the context of where it's taking place. One of the things about Nepal now, Nepal is one of my most, it's so dear to me. You know, I absolutely love, it's an amazing place. I mean, we, I could talk forever about all things, right? But it's an unstable country. The government used to be switching like every six months or so. It's relatively more stable now, but one of the things that they were calling forwards, you know, that the government needs to take more formative action on, Hey, the maintenance managed and things like that. And there may be some truth in that, but you need to frame it in the context of Nepal where it's at exactly. One of the things that I was told before as well, look at it. You have maybe 10, 11 people pass away on the maintain due to one reason or another, but then this is, they don't even pave the roads in Katmandu.

Speaker 1: 12:06 Yeah. You know, or like the major highways between Katmandu and pakora, you know, like how many people die every year on the road in Nepal due to the quality of the roads, you know, and the government won't even take a step to do that, which is a relatively simple fix. Yeah, that's a good point. Um, so I think w what my point is that I think it's down to the operators to not so much pass the buck onto the government of Nepal. And expect them to basically fix a problem that they created on the manga, you know, so we debate that intelligent approach to maintain even and dragon and I think Russell Brice, when I met him, that's what I left with him. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 12:49 You know, it's an except there's acceptable risk and there's unacceptable risk and knowing the difference between the two is where you will find the good and the bad in terms of what we do. That's a great point. I think, excuse me. That'll be edited out. Yeah. The kombu cough boot cup. Maybe I want to edit it out. Yeah. I've had it for the last three years. At least three. It's one of those things if you do go to, um, the Khumbu region. Yeah. Um, yeah, it is relatively dusty. Luckily we will give you one of those, um, you know, very signature ever Trek buffs to have porters with other operations. Where did that happen? I don't know. I don't know. I've got, yeah, I'm thinking it's not, they've transcended ever track. They're no longer there. They're there. They're sentience. They just, they go where they go floating in the ether.

Speaker 1: 13:43 But, um, yeah. Anyway, when you're out there, uh, or if you come with us, even if you're on one of the training weekends, um, you'll get one of these avid Trek buffs and they will help from the dusk. But clearly for me it didn't bloody help. No, because I still had this cough for the last three years. Yeah. But don't worry, I'm not going anywhere. It's nothing bad. It's just like I'll get rid of, I've never known you not have a like a bit of a sniffle. Wow. You don't be and my nose, it's your signature move. Yeah, it is. I know, I know. Anyway. But yeah, going back to, to what we're talking about there, um, you know, we both hold Russell Brice and his team in very high regard when it comes to high altitude mountaineering. Yeah. As you said in the beginning, high altitude mountain area in terms of climate Everest and what we do in terms of trekking to Everest base camp is very different.

Speaker 1: 14:29 Yeah. Um, you know, we do have to remember that and it kind of moves me onto quite an important one. I, and this was a bit random was I saw an advert obviously scrolling on Facebook, you know, as you do and I saw this video and it's basically an Australian version of jaws really. And it was quite funny you call so shark, but basically it was um, uh, so you imagine it's, it's filled. Every scene is the same as in jaws. Right. So you've got someone with a binoculars looking out at the beach like this, then you've got um, you know someone swimming and then you've got that caviar angle, you know, and it's from the bottom as though you're a shark. And I was thinking, okay, what's this about? That isn't going to be funny in it is Australian. Um, so anyway, as time moved on it's filming.

Speaker 1: 15:15 Then next thing you know, it was like get out of the water, get out of the water and basically then this, this chair pops up. Yeah, I bet it's in the shape of the dorsal fin cause it's a corner of the chair. Yeah. And the point was that chairs kill 200 times more people than sharks. Yeah. Because you know, in Australia is quite famous for dangerous shark, but it's nowhere near as dangerous as chairs according to the Australia stats. I don't know where they got out from. Yeah. But I suppose the point is that, look, we know that certain things are dangerous. Sharks can be dangerous. I've dive with sharks. You've dive with sharks in, was it Molly equipment? Money. Aquarium, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You remember him talking about that ma that uh, ma, uh, intelligent approach to risk. Oh wait. I know. Well, I've, I've, I've dived with loads of different types of sharks, like great whites.

Speaker 1: 16:02 Uh, you know, you've got gray reef sharks, bull sharks, dangerous sharks. Yeah. They'd been fine to me. I know this has nothing to do with the mountains. That point I'm trying to make. It is, but just because it's dangerous doesn't mean it's going to happen to, you know, it's a very, very, very low charge. It's like flying. Yeah. We all fly, you know, because we like to get to places, well, even Lukla, but it can even look like, yeah, exactly. It can be dangerous, but we do it, don't we? Yeah. Because it's part of the adventure. Exactly. I also think it highlights another thing, which is about, you know, how things are portrayed in the media, you know, and as it has a very powerful impact and I've almost given up on hoping for like a balanced report in, you know, there's lots of use this, there's these websites, you know, that monitor the every season and stuff like that.

Speaker 1: 16:44 I have mixed feelings about them because although I might follow them because I have an interest. Yeah. It's very hard to know what's happening at high altitude when there's like an emergency. So you get a lot of incorrect information coming off the maintain and then you either got to think like this families and stuff, listening to that and you know, anyway. But I think, yeah, like one of the things about this, and obviously this is why where we began, there was sadly a fatality on every, on the, on the trail this year. And it was someone [inaudible] someone from, you know, really local to us. Um, yeah. And I was actually a day behind him on the trail. Um, I would have crossed over with him at Gorak Shep almost certainly, you know, may have bumped into him and it, yeah, it really touched home like, and uh, I think that, yeah, the dangers of high altitude tracking predominantly it's, Hey, the body adjust to the altitude.

Speaker 1: 17:33 So we want to just put that out there. What we're talking about really is how altitude can affect the body, low blood oxygen levels, increased heart rate, you know, um, and then on the severe end of the scale, you know, you've got the cerebral edema and pulmonary edema. Yeah. Very rare on our trips, but we want to put it out there cause we're not going to hide behind what, cause it is what it is, isn't it? Exactly. It's today's altitude and it's how you adjust. Yeah. But we know, I mean, you know, it's one of the things we're known for is that if you're as super prepared as you can be, if you do some simple things, you listen to your guide hydration pace, you're going to acclimatise at a certain point. Yeah. Which limits and, and reduces the, uh, the chances of altitude issues.

Speaker 1: 18:14 Yeah, I mean, you know, we all suffer the effects of altitude, but there's a difference between the effects of altitude, altitude sickness and then like severe ans. Yeah. And I think that, you know, there's a manageable way to approach it. You know, like it's simple things like staying hydrated in more, but then at the severe end of it, you know, when you do get ill, it's a bait. Being able to meet those tough calls. This is another thing that I learned from Russell Brice, you know? Yeah. Um, because when I was talking to him, I remember seeing that if I was ever going to climb Everest, I would go with your operation. And he said, Oh, just out of curiosity, why would you say that? He said to me, you know, we're not the cheapest. Yeah. There are other people you could go with, with a similar operation.

Speaker 1: 18:53 And it's to do with the trust I have in his ability to manage my safety when I'm not in a position to do it myself. Your life's in his hands. Exactly. And if we sort of distill that down to what we do at Everest base camp, if someone is, you know, not in a position to continue. Yeah. Then they get turned around and they either walk down or they fly down. Either way they reach the pinnacle of what they could achieve on that trip. Yeah. And then they'd come back and it doesn't have to be the end look at Doug. Yeah. Dark. Yeah. That's, so if anyone doesn't know and hasn't been following us dark is Dave's dad. Yeah. Yeah. He reached every space camp, whether you, was it in October 31st 31st of October and it was a second time. So he, what he got, he got about five hours.

Speaker 1: 19:40 So every space camp back in 2017 the number I was there with Dave and Doug and this slimy made it, didn't he? Yeah, he did. Yeah. So it was, it's an impressive sort of, because we know what it's like to actually get to altitude and he said, I think he would put his hands up and see that the problems began way before he even left the UK. You know, to lead with that with his preparation and things like that. But then he got unlucky caught like a bit of a cold altitude, started wearing him down and then yeah, we left Lobel Shay on our way to Gorak Shep, um, six hours on base camp potentially. And yeah, he made the decision to turn around and yeah, it was a brief one and actually, you know, hung up his boots at the point you gave away. Remember that we were in the Lukla having a beer and a guide at the time. [inaudible]

Speaker 1: 20:25 and he was like, do you want this watch £300 watch? And he gave it away. I think we're all looking around the table, but um, but no. Yeah, like two weeks after we got back, you know, he messaged me and he's like, we're going back. And I was like, okay, but you know what you were saying about, you know, Hey, you know, being better prepared certainly does make a difference. And literally he trained, he lost some weight and he arrived in far better physical shape. Yeah. And his head was in the right place as well. Exactly. Yeah. Because ready to do, and it is a combination of mindset and physical preparation. Yeah. You put those two things together. I know you're big on the mindset as well. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll, you know, some of the other episodes we'll be talking about be go into in a bit more detail, but yeah.

Speaker 1: 21:13 You don't mean, I, I, I'm a firm believer in mental resilience building that you can, you can almost do whatever you want to do. Obviously people have limits as we say, a bit of a cheesy cliche, but you know, everyone's Everest is different. Yeah. But yeah, I've met massively when it comes to mindset, I think it's super important that it is only ever space contract, but I don't want to spoil it at the next couple of episodes because we will be talking more about it. Um, but yeah, we've dug, I think he was definitely in a better place. Yeah, I think so. I think we're, before he was, he winged it. Yeah. Did some people get there? Some people don't. Yeah. But you are rolling the dice. Um, this time he, you know, he prepared and he took a considered intelligent approach to his health, the trip as a whole.

Speaker 1: 22:03 And I think he would say that it was hard but not that hard. Where did he come compared to 2017 where it was impossible? Yeah. You know, it was, wasn't he? I remember his face like, I mean obviously, I know Doug, you, I obviously, I, we'd been hiking a lot in Wales and um, you know, he's not the fastest, but he doesn't need to be, you know what I was up for like, wait, sorry dog if you, if you listen. Um, but he's not the fastest, but he doesn't have to be, and he goes to his own pace and he enjoys it. Even on the training weekends, you know, he knows himself again because he's, he's comfortable with that. You know, what does he, 62? I think so. Yeah. 62. What a question is shocking. David? Yeah, he's 62. So he's in his early sixties. Dave, I'll give you these, his early sixties. Yeah. He has a longterm 60, um, fair dues to him. I mean, I mean we do get a lot of customers. I mean Doug isn't the oldest by a far reach. I think we had a couple of customers in the early seventies this. Yeah. Yeah. So same trip actually normal. Yeah, of course you have. You had, uh, cause you had Greg, Greg, Greg wasn't that old though. Greg and Dave. Dave was Dave, sorry Dave. Sorry. Dave, you're listening. Yeah. Well no, sorry Greg.

Speaker 1: 23:17 No, yeah, like fair play at the guy 72. Yeah, that's, that's I take my hat off to you and um, yeah, I mean he's a great guy, so affable, so good to have on the trail, you know, always smiling, always happy. And um, yeah, interesting guy. And again, it was about the preparation he put into it. Yeah. You know, 72 but the guy would run rings around a lot of people. They're really 10, 20 years younger than him. And um, yeah, no, it was really good. I think this trip, you know, every time I go to base camp I always learn a little bit something different about the trip. You know, I always think that I've cracked it and then I'll learn something new. Or what did you learn? I think I learned this time because I've always been a firm believer in getting as physically prepared as you possibly can.

Speaker 1: 24:03 Um, and I'm the first to admit to say that like, I've always thought your mindset, your mindset. Yeah. You know what I mean? But now I'm learning a lot. They talking to you about talking to other people that you can train the mind as well as you've been trained the body and 100% and that makes a huge difference. And one of the guys we had with as Adrian, I think he'd be, I think it'd be fair to say, and I don't think he would be upset with me for saying that. Uh, he didn't train at all, you know, and arrived pretty much out of shape. Yeah. And I think, you know, we, we all had concerns, particularly after day one, which is an easy day. Altitude doesn't affect you. It's in few hours. And yeah, he was struggling. And I, you know, probably if I'm honest with myself, I probably would've thought, yeah, we'll see how far he gets.

Speaker 1: 24:50 Yeah. But base camp, probably one that option. And he said something amazingly sort of, I don't know, it struck me anyway after the 10 when we were talking about what little differences and actually very few of us were talking about, you know, Oh, I'm glad I did that run. I'm glad, I'm glad I did this and what we're all talking about, the little differences that make a huge difference in the end. And one of the ones he said was one of the guides, um, Pradeep just came up to him one time and just tapped him on the back when he was resting and said, you're doing good. And he said it was just like a delivery of human kindness to the soul, you know? And he said it was just, I don't know, it just, it was warmth where previously there wasn't none. So we give them encouragement to help them and we're, his physical ability stopped.

Speaker 1: 25:38 Yeah. A good mindset and some healthy encouragement. Yeah. Took him the rest of the way. And, yeah, that was amazing. But again, intelligently managing the risk. I know I'm, because that's almost like I'm drilling that freeze home and I've don't think I've said it before. No, I know sometimes. I mean, but yeah, it's, you've got to manage that risk. Exactly. Yeah. You know, put him in danger. No, and that's it. It's about sort of the guides were aware of his condition at all times. The guides man, they're brilliant. They are good. Yeah. I mean obviously we're going to say that, but you know, we wouldn't say we are. Some of our guides have been at base camp over 200 times. Yeah. I mean you can't not go to Everest Base Camp to be at high altitude that long with all the training they've had. Some of them are climbed Everest.

Speaker 1: 26:26 Yeah. Without being, without knowing a thing or two about high. Exactly. Yeah. And you know, they, they know just by looking at you what sort of condition you're in and they're able to manage that condition. So sometimes people need time to adjust. Like, you know, we might reach a dingbat Jay and look like absolute death. Just be like really struggling, but you need time to adjust to the altitude. Yeah. So 24 hours later, 48 hours later, you could be in a completely different condition because you've looked after yourself. The guides identified a problem. Um, and yeah, our guide Nima was on Everest in 96, those of you that are the Everest disaster. Yeah, it was. Yeah. Those of you that ever is savvy will know that your rings a bell and um, yeah, fantastic guy, fantastic guy. And you know, new, new all the time where each of us were, myself included.

Speaker 1: 27:15 Yeah. That's what you gotta manage everyone. It doesn't matter how many times you've been an altitude, your body adjusts the same or the same process. And we tell him just cause you've been there before doesn't mean you just, you can just chill out. Yeah, exactly. I mean, well both of us, we live at sea level. Yeah. You know, so every time I go to altitude, I have to adjust each and every time like everybody else does. Um, which is a pain because you think, ah, man, they've got to climatize again. Seriously, seriously. Thinking about buying a tent, the outs to 10 to 10. Yeah. Maybe we should do an episode on one of those. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe we'll buy one, use it and then do a trip and come back and report. Very good test doesn't it? Yeah. Be a very good test. I think we should do that with Kili.

Speaker 1: 27:57 Yeah. That is one of the things, the, I am a complete degenerate when it comes to equipment, you know, like I'll buy anything. Um, so yeah, that's a good idea. Maybe we'll report back on that. Nice. Well look. Um, I mean, yeah, we've, you know, it's been great doing the first episode of the podcast. It's been fantastic. I think if you are listening, we um, you know, obviously we're talking about the final world in a second, but just to remind you, if you are keen to jump into this adventure, as you probably guessed, it's not for everyone, but if it's for you and you fancy going on an adventure, little bit of danger, manageable danger, we'd love to have you with us. And if you go to the show notes, there is the downloadable guide for Everest Base Camp .if you're listening, it's http://bit.ly/EverestBCGuide download that have the walkthrough and um, yeah, it tells you everything you need to know.

Speaker 1: 28:49 We've also got the trip videos on there and yeah, I mean you always, you know, give us, give us a comment, give us a review on that. Very importantly as well, while we're here, just before we sort of talk about the final world, the word subscribe to this podcast because it's brand new, you know, we know how things work, you know, more people. We have the more people that leave reviews, um, we'll, we'll attract more listeners and that's what we want. You know, we want to provide maybe a little, as you said in the little teaser episode, what was it that, yeah, it's not about gleaming a golden nugget. I just think that, um, you know, by leaving it, you know, if you listen to the podcast and you've enjoyed it or something that we've said has made a difference to you, um, and helped you make up your mind or the other, then yeah, please do leave us a five star review.

Speaker 1: 29:34 Please do subscribe and share the podcast because it enables us to continue giving that message out and helping so many other people or maybe each and every person that listens might gleam one little golden nugget. I love that saying when you said that was it last week and I was like, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to swipe into point. Yeah, yeah. Well that's what we're all after at the end of the day. Like I wish that I was more informed the first time I went to base camp. Yeah. Because I didn't help you enough. You were absolutely. But um, you know, I almost wish that there was something where, you know, a guide, I'm sure there was, but I didn't know about it because I wasn't there. Cause this is like this didn't happen, you know. So hopefully by doing this the next time someone comes along, they'll be able to tune into the podcast, get all their questions answered, play it to their loved ones, convinced them or put them off.

Speaker 1: 30:25 No, no. Sometimes this is half the job, isn't it? Um, you know, we all care about people and ultimately if you're in a relationship where you've got close friends are like, Oh my God, you go into Everest or you go climb Kili, whatever you're going to do. Sometimes the hardest job is persuading them. Yeah. So maybe get them to listen to this episode and yeah, and see what things and you know, a little bit of education goes a long way. I lose track of the amount of times where we might get a comment when we say they ever space camp and someone says, Oh, you know, what about all the oxygen canisters and bodies left on the Hill and you immediately know why they're doing it is because of, you know, misinformation. Yeah. Education isn't exactly. Yeah. So this is crazy. And please, please, I am running out of people to talk to about this type of thing.

Speaker 1: 31:07 Everyone just walks away from me now sometimes. Yeah. Right. But, um, yeah, so let me say subscribe to the podcast. It'd be awesome to see you and um, you know, leave us a review. Uh, the final word really couldn't do. Coffee is almost done with me. Hmm. Dave, final word. Would you like to do it today? Um, yeah. So the, the final message, yes. Every space can be dangerous. Um, at the end of the day, it's no more dangerous than a lot of things in life that, you know, adventure, travel sort of encompasses anyway. Exactly, exactly. And um, yeah, I mean it, it's just, you know, making sure that you're comfortable before you go on any trip. Um, and if not, then the trips probably not for you. Yeah. And that's fine. You know, that's all part of educating yourself, finding out about yourself and finding the right type of adventure for you.

Speaker 1: 32:04 Because high altitude adventure is not for everybody is, you know, there's a great sale engine in it. It is very challenging and there, but ultimately, you know, it can be massively life-changing. Yeah. And personally rewarding. Yes. Huge. You know, because I think that if you go to high altitude, you will find out about your limits. You will find out what you're comfortable with, you'll find out what you're not, you'll find a or that your physical and emotional limits, you know, and you'll come back a far more well-rounded person and you'll know more about yourself and you'll know more about life and you'll know more about, you know, everything that matters and what's next, isn't it? Exactly. Yeah. That's great. I kind of put a bit on myself, so I hope that's kind of help everyone that's listened. Do tune into episode two, which I'm, because we're doing these, uh, releasing our podcast episodes every week. So do tune in and yeah, we'll be back with next week. But cheers. David's been awesome. It's been great. Yeah. [inaudible] yeah. Done. Done in the bag. Great stuff. Yeah. I hope you enjoyed it and we'll see you soon. Thanks, everybody. Bye.

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