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In the third episode of the Mountain Malarkey Podcast, Andy and Dave delve deep in the world of mindset, sharing some mindset hacks to use and take on your Everest.

Head Yeti Andy is a bit of a mindset freak and he talks about a few things he has learnt over the years to control mindset in certain situations and also using it in the right way, taking on challenges with a positive mindset instead of fear and negativity.

Things the guys talk about:

  • Overwhelm and how to kick it's a*se
  • Ways to control your mindset when it gets tough
  • How to use goals to positive effect

“It doesn't have to be getting to Everest”

“No choice but to go deeper in order to give himself a chance”

“If you do bonk on a ride you have no choice but to get to the nearest petrol station”



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Hey everyone, it's Andy here from the EverTrek office with my fellow host. Hello everybody. Yes, it's episode three of the Mountain Malarkey Podcast.


I know, it's crazy. It's amazing. Like a, we're quick and honestly the reception we've had just from the first few has been fantastic. But, um, I'm pretty excited to hear we've got to say about this one and because I know this is something that you've been, um, you feel pretty passionate about and I know that it's something that you've, um, you try to instill, um, you know, in yourself and me and to the benefit of everyone around you. Um, it's certainly helped me in a lot of the treks and hikes and stuff that I've done. Um, I'm currently in training for Kilimanjaro. It's a, Drudge is hard. It's tiring. I don't want to do it. Yeah. Tell me what today's about because I reckon if anyone else feels like that, then this, this is going to be really benefit

official, to them. Yeah, definitely. So today is all about, I mean, the title of the podcast is called harnessing mindset to reach your Everest or Kili. Yeah, no, but you're ever so, so pretty much, you know me very well Dave and a lot of people who are potentially listening to this who have been, you're on the email list or in the Facebook group. Yeah. My, my thing really is all about mindset. Yeah. It does come from a deeper thing. Um, you know, around positivity. But personally, I mean, you know, I think that people can do anything they want to do with the right mindset. Yeah. It's not as easy as I say yeah keep positive it's not that kind of thing. There's a few different strategies you can use that can certainly pick you up and help you break things down to, to achieve and stuff.

And that's why, yeah, I thought it was quite important to talk about it. Um, but before we do go into it, obviously if you're listening and if Everest base camp is actually on your bucket list, then definitely download the Everest Base Camp guide. It is in the show notes. Um, but if you are, listen, if you just go to bit dot L Y forward slash Everest BC guide, that'll take you to the full guide of Everest Base camp, gives you the full walk through. Um, and you're also get a video walk through an email walk through of the entire trip. So yeah, if that's something that you want to do, then definitely jump in and have a look at that. But let's getQ stuck into the episode for why not. Yeah, I'm looking forward to this. Let's do it. Honest. I'm looking forward to it too.

Well. You know, it's been a busy, busy weekend. Um,

I had to buy a tux, man.

Yeah, that's very unusual for you. Yeah, I know. I bet that's it. You know, since I've completely abandoned corporate life, I don't, I don't even own a pair of smart shoes. Um, so yeah, I turned it up a notch, got tucks, had the velvet, the, the bottle, green velvet, uh, a dinner jacket. You know, it was quite a fun event.

I have to say. It was very,

it wasn't shocking, but it was nice to see as you walk through the door that you came down the steps. And I was like, is that Dave? Cause I think you'd actually trimmed your beard as well. I did trim. That'd be combed your hair. Yeah. Yeah, I did. Yeah, I trimmed the beard. I combed the hair. I looked like a functioning member of society. I was, it was great. No, actually, well we should see what it was about. You know, we were helping. Um, well let's see. We know we weren't helping. We were taking part and providing some awareness and uh, it was a fun night. Basically a, an avid tracker. He's going to have a space camp in April. Um, Jamie Mcansh, uh, if you're listening, Jamie, hello? Hello, Jamie. You know, we'll give him a lot. I suppose we'll give them a little plug runway you've got, you've got to check out his business.

See No Bounds. He's an inspirational chap. Um, you know, he's been through, I mean, listening to his talk, I was amazed half the stuff this man's lived through. I know he's indestructable, but do you know what part of that does come down to his mindset? Um, which is, you know what it ties into in, but no, he's an inspirational chat. Um, you know, he does, uh, he does a lot to raise awareness for people, um, with disability, particularly complex regional pain syndrome, CRPS, something that he suffers with. Um, but it hasn't stopped him. You know, he climbed pen avant on his hands. He climbed Ben Nevis. He plays squash for like GB and he plays against evil body people. And, um, he did tell me one time that he told me he played a competition against people, body people. And um, he did well.

Did he know he got hammered? Hey, you know what, he's the only one that could, could do it. And I think, you know, and he, he's a big believer of, you know, if I can do it, so can you, so no, check him out man. Check him out. It was, it was a good event. No. Yeah, he was a, he's a very inspirational man. Would actually get him on the show I think because I think so. I've spoken to him, I know he's going to Everest Base Camp and he's, you know, he's doing a lot of training, know himself and his partner Charlotte who kind of co-run the business. Yeah. But we'll definitely get him on because he's, he's, he's got a story to tell. I think he's, um, yeah, what, I mean, I've known him for a while, but he's the type of chat where, you know, he's just, he's very affable.

He get along with him, but he ain't going to open up to you and tell you everything he's been through. So I actually did listen to him speak and listen to some of the things that he's actually persevered through. Yeah. Uh, it was, it was pretty inspirational actually, and I really did. Um, I really did find it quite moving actually, which is strange from a guy that I thought I knew. I know. I mean, I didn't know him, but I didn't know everything. And uh, yeah, some reason. No, he's, he's a cool guy. I mean, yeah, that, that was a great, great event, wasn't it? Um, we've also got another event coming up on Saturday and we did that event. Yeah, that is, um, I mean, yeah, personally, I mean, you know, it's, it's an event that we've, we took part in last year. We co-sponsored it. Um, so pretty much people around the world, this one's called the world big sleep app. So yeah, if you're listening and you know, at this moment when you get this episode, it would have already happened. But basically the world's big sleep out is the world's biggest show of

solidarity around homelessness and displaced people. So 50,000 people around the globe in 52 cities, I believe. One of them being Cardiff, which is the one we're doing. Yep. And we'll be coming out. The weather's looking a bit chilly, but I'm sure we'll be all right there.

Yeah. I don't want to be too, you know, too precious about it, but yeah, no, I've got, I've got a, the bivy bag, the sleeping bag all set up with me. I'm going to operate my own sort of triage for cold people. You know, if they want to use my bivy and my sleeping bag doesn't and I'm more than happy, but no, it's, I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. And Lauren who's also part of the EverTrek team and John as well, the Great Bald Yeti plus the social Yeti and the great bald. Yeah. He, there will be a taking parts, a fair few Yeti's are they said there is a fair few yeah, he's at the event. Yeah. And a few other trackers as well. Yeah. That's really going to be fun. I think some people have a, I think they been this Susan, a couple have I think one or two of them still to go.

Yeah, that's, that's great. I love catching up with them. Yeah. It's going to be good to catch up with them. It's always good. But no, I mean I'm looking forward to that. That's going to be a fun night and I'm certainly going to have to deploy some positivity, um, when it's raining and minus two. Absolutely. Which leads us onto our first, do you see how I did that? We did that. That was, that was, that was seamless. Look, we got notes or something. You know, it's like, no, I didn't get anyone in the even imagined that this is scripted

the first bit. I mean, when it comes to, um, the harnessing mindset mindset to reach your Everest. Yeah. Positivity is very well underrated. I mean, naturally it's not just, you know, keep positive. It comes down to deeper rooted things. Like for instance, when we're, when we're away and we're trekking, you've got to have those times where it's going to be hard. It's going to be difficult. You're going to be down, you're probably going to be a bit narky. Um, because you're, you know, you're out of your comfort zone. It's challenging. And it's one of those things where if you kept telling yourself, Oh, I feel bad, I feel sick or I've got a headache, or you know, I'll, maybe I've got altitude sickness. If you keep talking altitude sickness, you know, negativity, things are going to happen because you're, that's all you're thinking about. If you're thinking and you're positive around it. Okay. I want, I'm in the mountains, I chose to be here. Also, my reason for being here is it to raise money for charity? Is it a personal thing? And naturally that will have have a positive effect. I mean, we've all had sort of challenges haven't we when we've been away in places like we went trekking in April. Yep. And you just got off shingles.

Well, yeah. Yeah. That was, I just want to put out, I don't advocate that if you cracked up with it. Yeah, I did. Yeah. Um, but no. Yeah, that was a tough one because yeah, like you said, shingles was, um, I haven't stopped talking about shingles so much since I noticed, but yeah. But um, but yeah, no, I think that, um,

During that time I still had the rash, but it was, it had sort of more or less gone and then when I was in the high altitude and stuff like that, I think your immune system might drop a little bit. So it kind of came back. It's a bit painful and it was bringing me down a lot. Um, and stuff like that. And I know we talked about it in evenings in the room and stuff like that about, you know, just, it's about, for me, I, I know mindset is an individual pursuit, but there are certain techniques that, you know, you've certainly helped me with. And one of those things is when I'm facing difficulty or I'm feeling like I don't want to do something, yeah, I have to take it to me. I have to strip myself back to basics, you know, understand the motivation that led me to do what I'm currently undertaking and concentrate on that and also have the knowledge to understand that there are things that I can control and things that I can't.

Yeah. And in that environment, when I was there, I had no control over. In my case, the pain I was in, all the shingles, there was very little I could do to mitigate it. But what I could control is, my outlook, my mindset, my focus on getting other people there. And when I did change my focus from being inward to outward, and for me it was focusing on, we had some friends there and some people that became good friends and I wanted to see those people get to base camp. I wanted to see those people shed a tear and realize a life dream that took you away from that. I mean you obviously have pain, you know, cause you're in the back and this thing in the back of mind, Oh my God, is it still there? Well, let's be honest, when you came back and you went to the doctors, they were like, yeah, hangs around for a couple of months.

Yeah. So you were dealing with that and yet we were hiking every day and it's hard. But yeah, you're right. I think having that something else, which can be a friend. Yeah. Which can be a goal, something else that you're working towards is, is very important. I think that's, I think that's one of the reasons why. Yeah. Plus I was there. Yeah, exactly. Well it gives you a kick up the backside, bro. I mean, do you know what to do? Like, even like, I don't even know if I've told you this, but there were like, you know, I think everybody has this. Yeah. To one degree or another. And I've been to base camp, you know, a fair few times now. And that was the only time. And I think maybe because you were there and I just kept thinking like the thought did creep in.

I could just turn around. Yeah. Well cause you've already done it because I'd already done it. And because you were there and I had that escape route and I was really chastise myself. Like the moment the thought popped into my head, you know, because I, I think given up on something that doesn't need to be given up on is, is a real tragedy. And I think, you know, we always talk about, you know, doing the right thing when you're in the maintains. And I knew that, you know, it wasn't a trip end in condition. It was miserable. I was on the tail end of it. It was manageable, it was a bit of pain, but it wasn't the end of the world. And I thought about a lot of the things that people had done before me and things like that. And I honestly just, I chastised myself and really I, that turned me around and I decided, you know what? I'm actually gonna think positively about this trip positively about the reasons that I'm here positively about how I'm feeling and what I'm doing. And, and it really did change it. And it's so remarkable because as you know, I was a skeptic, but the moment I decided to do that, I woke up the next morning with more energy and I felt stronger and I was happier until I'm a convert.

Yeah. I don't, I, I, it's, it's not easy because you know, when you're going through something, it's, it can sort of encompass everything, can't it every, you know, especially when you're trying to battle on. But it's important when it comes to facing any challenge. I mean, I mean, just a, just a current current subject that we've happened. I mean in Nepal over the last 12 months has been some changes, have been some sort of bumps in the road where the airliners as basically forced some changes upon us. And we've had to, you know, we've had lots of conversations with our team in the pool. We've had lots of conversations here about how are we going to manage that. Um, we've had to stay positive because you realize, Jesus, this is changing a little bit of, of, of, of certain parts of the trip outside of the Trek and itinerary.

But we, we've had to sort of stay positive I think. Right? This is, this is a bump in the road. This is how we look at it. This is how we manage it. And it's important that if you're listening and you've got to challenge yourself and you know, whether it be Everest base camp or Kilimanjaro or anything, like I said, this is your Everest and your address could be anything. It could be climbing your local mountain. You know, it depends where you're at in your life. But ultimately it's about getting that resilience bump in the road and you and you overcome those. Well, one of the things I think I want to hear you talk about, it's a lot of the stuff that you've said to me in the past, but it's always been in conversation and stuff like that.

If you were to sort of like, if I wanted some sound bites, I wanted some bullet points, right? Why in terms of, in terms of mindset, in terms of hardness, in mindset, in terms of how I can deploy it when I need it during tough tracks. I know you did a real tough Trek in Scotland recently yet, which I know you only did that with someone and there was points during the track where it was hard, frustrating and I sweat. I want to hear you talking about, so number one for me,

obviously you've got Lairig Ghru, I think I talked about it in the last episode. It's a long, I think it's over 20 odd miles. It's through some tough conditions, but there's sections. So for me, if you're going for any challenges about breaking that challenge down in those sections, because sometimes when you've got this big scary monster in front of you, it can be quite overwhelming and overwhelm is not good for your brain. Um, you know, when you've got smaller things to look at, your brain tends to think positively about that. So yeah, for instance, Lara group, we knew that there were certain sections that were going to be hard to find. You can't, you can't get over that, so you have to get over it. But I mean there's, you can't get out of that. It is what it is. So you knew you've got two or three hours there, it's potentially difficult.

So you want to break it out at the sections. Then you want to look at sections within sections. So for instance, when we were on, every space can track if I'm climbing, I envisage, I look at a target. So in that section I see a rock or a tree and I think, okay, I'm going to walk and we're not going to stop until I get to that point. And I'm going to stop and have a rest. Mentally I've achieved something. I mean, it's scientifically proven that when you do succeed at something, your body releases dopamine in the body. You tend to feel it better. So it releases that positive energy. So imagine that now you've got all these, you've made these little goals, you've made the tree and the next street and the next three and the next rock. Next thing you know, you've done 20 goals and then by that time you've also moved two miles. I mean, that's amazing, because

you know what you've just said. It reminded me of, I'm thinner now if we're going to take, if we're going to take it to its extreme. Yeah. Um, when the, the climber is, he's fallen down the crevasse and he has no choice but to go deeper in order to give himself a chance of survival. And it comes out of the crevasse. And then he realizes like he's elated. He survived. Then he realizes he's on the middle of a Glazier, miles from base camp and in the documentary and in the book he talks about how he would give himself goals like get to that rock and he said if he got to the rock, the elation that he felt was like the lifesaving equally is that if we didn't, you would be terribly upset. But that's because of the IX, you know, the extremity of the, of the, of the moment. But that's a driver isn't it? Exactly. But you know, when you've just, you know, even if you take it to its most extreme, it just, it really does highlight that there is that what you just said is true. Given yourself breaking any challenge, down into goals and breaking them down into sections. Yeah. But no, that's what that just reminded me of then touching the void. What did I say into thin air?

I know this because of the book behind you. Yeah. Our studio. Yeah. Touching the void. No, no, that is, that's that. That's the deep one, isn't it? I mean, I let myself down and they didn't. I know, I know. With your mountain knowledge. I was quiet, but no, it's,

I knew what you meant. Yeah. Ultimately, yeah. That guy who survived that ultimately survived. So if you haven't read it or if you haven't watched them,

sorry if you read that, I think enough time has passed, we can talk about the current thing. But

yeah, he does survive and he makes it back down and I don't think he would have got down there if it wasn't for his mindset. Joe Simpson, Joe Simpson, that was his name. Joe Simpson. Great book actually. Um, although I, and the, is it the docu drama? I know it's, yeah, it's a really good watch. Yeah. If you, if you need a good read or a good watch, you know, Sunday afternoon or something, give it a watch. Simon Yates, Simon Simon Yates and Joe Simpson and it's um, yeah, touching avoids a very, very good. Um, I mean it's very inspirational, but I think, yeah, hardest in mindset to survive on the, you know, the ultimate scale. I mean, look, again, that's another thing that we, can

you ask me for bullet points? Yeah. Okay. So you've got sections, you've got the, the goals. Yeah. You've got that break in the targets down to smaller targets. But ultimately he just had the balls to survive. Yeah. Nobody, I suppose or ovaries of steel. Sorry. Yeah. But one thing, like the one thing I think that really helped him was cause I've listened to a lot of what Joe Simpson has said. Yeah. And he was on desert Island discs and he was talking about other aspects of what he'd been through. And he said that when he was lying in the bottom of the crevasse, he was, he was overwhelmed by the enormity of his situation, that he was facing insurmountable odds that he was dead. Yeah. And then he really, he really just sort of, he almost had to sort of remove himself from all of that noise and just be in the moment, you know?

And I know that's one thing that you've said to me a lot about it is like, Dave, just be in the moment, enjoy it and mindful exactly where you are. I mean, I know it sounds a bit fluffy, but it's, um, you know, and I'm not like religious really or anything. I'm maybe a little bit spiritual in terms of my outlook, but being mindful of where you are and actually like a women in the mountains and things like that. And you think, Jesus, look what I am. Look at those, look at that amazing place. I'm here with these amazing people, this amazing culture, taking on an amazing goal that is, you know, being mindful of a situation. It's almost to the extent where you realize you start to see things a bit differently. Yeah. Almost too. You're being grateful even for a cup of coffee. I love coffee. You know me? Yeah, I am. I look forward to that. And again, the setting those goals, that goal could be gathered. If you were religious, you would worship coffee.

Um, no, I do like my coffee. It's probably a bit too much, but no, it is important. And yeah, so being mindful being in the moment is huge. And it, it also helps, I mean, it's, this is transferable when it comes to mindset. Like, uh, at a high altitude, because you know, the mountain malarkey podcast is all about helping people in the mountains, especially at high altitude. Cause that's our thing. And high altitude is speed is a no, no, we go slow. Yeah. If you're mindful, if you're taking your time and taking everything in, yeah. Stopping taking pictures, you go in slower, which means you're going to acclimatise better better. So it may seem trivial, but actually just be a mindful is really good for you. Practical, and you know, I think a lot of mountaineers is they do talk about, you know, not their motivations for claiming maintenance. It's one of the hardest things to explain. Yeah. You know, if someone says like, you know, why are you going to base camp, find a new motivation and keeping that at the forefront of your thinking really will make a difference in your ability to actually get there. You know, if you give into despair, you know, cause you know, it's hard, you're tired, you're cold. The lodges are basic and that's being kind, you know, it's Nepal. Yeah, exactly.

It is what it is. But, um, there's a lot, you know, the, if you had to put up with back home, you would find incredibly hard to deal with. Yeah. Um, but when you're out there, you're there for a reason, you know, and you've got to keep that at the forefront of your thinking. Yeah. And again, that's it. That's going back to our first point of staying positive. Yeah. It does come to that, uh, almost perspective because you're right, it's adventure travel. It's, it's going to be different to how it is in the UK. So as you said, you know, keeping positive, even though you're thinking, okay, this is a little bit basic for me. Yeah. But ultimately you've chosen to be on that challenge. You know, you've been on that trip because it's not a holiday. It's a challenge. No. Well that's it. You've taken that on.

But coming from it from a positive angle is that this is the challenge. Yeah. This is, I'm going to nail this and I'm going to achieve it because I'm going to be positive. Yeah. And let that fill you up. Let it think almost, and again, I don't want to be too fluffy yet, but imagine yourself reaching base camp or reaching the place you want to get to and visualize it in your head. Because as you know, I like to play golf. Yeah. And I, I want, this isn't my analogy of the week by the way. No, I'm still waiting for yours. Yeah, I don't have long, but when it comes to golf and when I'm there too, when I'm lining up a putt if anyone watches this, listening to this and it's thinking about golf. So you're lining up the per the way I've been taught by my dad and instructors and thankfully is to visualize that shot going in the hole.

And it does help because again, you're coming from a positive angle. You know, you may duff your chip or you duff your putt But the fact is that if you constantly visualize yourself doing that, yeah, it does happen. It does happen more often. I think it's important to you as well to just to see that, you know, you should find your golf. Um, because I'm, I've, I've hit a golf ball before. Yeah. Um, and, uh, yeah, I'm, uh, yeah, I'm about as accurate it. Well, I don't know. I mean, like I said, no, I was in a golf range and I hit the ball and it went off at 90 degrees to the, to the right, not, not forward. And it became its own little, um, it was like a kamikaze golf ball, you know? So, um, if my mind was me taking a shot, yeah.

Um, yeah, that'd be a terrible thing. But again, I mean, for instance, you're into cycling. Yeah. No, you're all right. You know, and imagine you've, you've obviously got a target and you're trying to visualize yourself getting to the end without bonking. If you're not familiar with that term, you look it up, look it up. It isn't really just Google bonking and cycling. Yeah. Otherwise you might get some colorful images, but when it comes to, um, to bonking the immediate, you know, your energy almost is so depleted, you can't go on. Yeah. But imagine you visualize in yourself that you've got to the end without doing that. It's going to be easier to achieve because in your mind you've already achieved it. But also if you do bonk on a ride, you have no choice but to get to the nearest petrol station. You got to dig deep, man. You haven't got to dig deep. You have got a really, really work hard.

Um, and try and stay positive because I've seen many a bonker on the side of the road.

Well I think I remember, cause I, I'm not into cycling like you, but I remember we went in Brecon think near John when John was living in Brighton on the weekends. And I came with you guys and I think I did bonk. I couldn't really go too much further. Luckily there was a pub, which I think we ended up being and bumped into one of my old friends, which wasn't that, yeah, that was crazy. But such is life, which is crazy, but fantastic. And I realized, I was like, wow,

a real low point here. Yeah. But we made the pub. Yeah, we didn't make it. I mean he was great. I think it's just, yeah, I mean I think if you just use positive mindset, you will work your way through the cycle of life and hit a hole in one and appreciate the birdies and won't be saddled with a giant albatross. Is there, is there a pun of the week as well? I don't know. That's going to have to do.

Oh man, it's genius. No, but it's, it's, I mean this, when it comes to, to harnessing mindset, it's obviously down to you and if you listen to this and you know, you think we're chatting load of a pile of, I want to say a rude word there, but I don't we'll go with that. Um, then it, it, cause everyone's different. Yeah. You know, I mean, what we talk about here worked for me. It worked for you Dave. Yeah, I know it's worked for other people. I've, I've spoken to some friends, there was loads of EverTrekkers, but ultimately it comes down to you and, and what you want to do, what you want to achieve here because it doesn't have to be getting to Everest base camp. That's what we do. Um, you know, we specialize in getting people to Everest base camp. Um, you know, it's our, it's our, it's our game. But ultimately if you just come at it from a positive angle and almost framing it with words, positive words, like instead of seeing, Oh, I don't know, I'm just trying to think of examples now, but imagine if you sort of wake up and say, Oh, I've gotta do this today. Instead of saying, you know what, I'm looking forward to doing that today. Just saying that is kind of reframing it, even though it's the same thing, reframing stuff,

but also it's anywhere. I think it's always like, I like to, you know, everyone's , everyone will harness their mindset in a different way. Yeah. For a different purpose. And if someone just listens to this and they go away and they try and figure out exactly how to use their mindset in order to achieve something greater than they thought they could, then that would be magnificent. That's what we hear. Exactly. And I always think that I'm like, for me, I always try and visualize myself with the success afterwards if I've got, if I had to go to the gym. Right. I don't, I don't try and remain positive about running on the treadmill for 20 minutes. Yeah. I imagine myself after the gym, having got that exercise in the bank, I know a bit healthier. I'm a bit fitter and I can go about my life. Yeah. But that's worked for you, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. At the end of the day

that enabled you to to get out of the gym, get to the gym. Yeah. Motivation. I mean cause motivation is plenty arts sometimes. Yeah. I mean we're both, especially me sometimes I kind of, you, I, I don't use the excuse to ask me, you know, it's been a busy day. I'm not going to go to the gym, I'm not going to go for a run today. But getting that motivation sometimes is the hardest thing. And the first, the first thing you do is always the hardest. Like for instance, if someone says I want to join a gym. Yeah. But they keep saying it cause they don't join the gym, but once they join the gym, they're there. It's easy. You've started that journey. So I think sometimes the best way to sort of tackle it from a positive angle is just to start what you've said you go into.

Do I go back to a story I've written a few times actually, but it goes back to when I first wanted to go travel in which I was like 19 or 20 and I was working, I was saving up for it. And you know, I, I sort of dropped in conversation to a few people, close friends, family that, Oh yeah, I'm gonna go travel and I'm gonna quit my job and we've got to Southeast Asia and Australia. They're like, Oh great, good for you. And then six months down the line, it was still the same conversation when you go in and I say, hi, you haven't got quite got around to it yet. Um, you know, it became real. Once I started to tell people about my open, my open my world to it, write it down, which is a huge one. If you've got gold, by the way, write it down.

It becomes real. It becomes tangible. Even post it on Facebook if he want to because other people will see it and they'll remind you of it. So much like it did with me when I was 19 or 20, then that gave me the motivation to start and put my ticket. And you know what, once I did that, I did, I booked my ticket and I went, I quit my job at the time and it completely changed my life because I taken that first step there. But instead of just talking about it, you know, because people would like kind of say, Oh yeah, when you go on traveling a year ago, you know, like almost like, yeah, actually I've just been talking about it. Let's actually do it. You know, it's actually tackle that, that goal of mine. Um, yeah. So I for like H in that one.

Yeah. Um, excellent. But look, yeah, there's no, it's been really good. I hope that you found this really valuable. And, and as I said in the beginning of the podcast, if you are thinking of going into Everest or Kilimanjaro, but especially around Everest base camp, then the Everest Base Camp guide. The actual link is in the show notes, but if you're listening, just go to bet dot L Y forward slash Everest BC guide and I'll give you the full walkthrough of the um, uh, the average trip and yeah, I reckon you'll really enjoy is also the videos as well, which we shot with our video guys. Steve Bosch filer, uh, the sexy business mountain lion. Yes. He, he's, he's almost a Yeti, but he decided that because of his long hair and his beard, he wanted to be a mountain lion. Yeah. So we gave him that. There's fair enough, you know, we gave him that, but yeah, it's been great.

Um, yeah, just, just to remind you as well, I mean this is a brand new podcast. I know we're on the third episode now, but definitely subscribe if you listen to it on iTunes or Spotify and you know, leave us a review as well because reviews for us are massive, makes a huge difference to the amount of people that can actually view listen to this. Um, we do so many videos. I keep seeing view. I know. Um, and we want to reach as many people as we can and you know, me and Dave are not afraid to ask.

No, no. I mean, you know, if you have enjoyed it, if you've gleaned something helpful from it, um, you know, please do leave us a review. It does make a massive difference. Like, and subscribe to all of that, do all of that stuff. You know, what to do. But I mean, it just, it really just helps us continue to do this sort of thing. Um, we know that there's a large community of people out there because we've met them and hiked with them and track them and we want to reach every single one of them. Absolutely. Because we do believe strongly in what we do can change your life for the better. Yeah. Um, it's not just tracking as a friend of mine in Nepal often says that, uh, we sell happiness for a living. We do. You know, and I think that's, that's why I love my job and I want other people to love my job as well.

We've enjoyed it. And I suppose the final message that we always want to sort of leave people with, especially on this episode, is that like it does come down to having that positive mindset take on the challenge. Enjoy it. Like I said, it does come down to you, but stay positive, enjoy yourself taking the views. Um, even if you find it hard with your training before a trip, just remember why you're doing it. You know, and, and, and, and, and stick if it, if it helps, stick it on the wall. Remember that. I've look at it every day and it'll give you a, you know, you'll have that almost, that, um, motivation to push you. Um, and if you've just come back from it and then you're looking for the next thing, well, you know, Google, I have a track, I'm sure you'll find a few trips on us.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And um, you know, don't be too hard on yourself, I think, you know. Yeah. Um, life's meant to be enjoyable, but human beings don't mean exactly. Yeah. I mean, I, I remember when I was running, um, I was, well, I was fat and unfit and then Everest Base Cam me was like a, a goal, um, that I could reach and achieve two things at once. One my dream to step foot in Himalaya. And also I thought, well, I'll lose weight. Yeah. But actually it continued on beyond that, you know, and I ran two half marathons, I've cycled a hundred miles and there were many times, like I say, my first run, I went out and I got less than a mile and then I was lying on my back on the ground. Um, and then one time I decided I was going to cycle to work and it was immediately up a Hill. And I turned around and went back to my house and phoned in sick. You know what I'm saying? Is don't, don't beat yourself up. Don't be too hard on yourself. The important thing is that you're getting out there and you're doing something. Um, and even like you said, if you make little, tiny, tiny, tiny little advances every day, then when you look back over the course of a week, a year, it'll be huge. Absolutely. That's it. Okay. Well, I hope you enjoyed today

Listen out next week where we'll be talking about training for the next big adventure, but, so yeah. Thanks for listening and we'll chat to you soon.


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